Why I'm a Sucker: My 2015 Honda Fit

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04/08/2015 at 08:00 • Filed to: honda, fit, new cars, used cars, #oppositelock

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I am a hypocrite. I have spent the better part of my adult life proselytizing that only suckers buy new cars, to the point where my friends would avoid mentioning a new car purchase. And on Valentine’s Day of this year, I drove away from a Houston-area Honda dealership with a brand new Fit LX.

It was the base package and had steel wheels. The clutch hung onto its revs during shifts like a toddler clenching to a security blanket being torn away by a cruel daycare overseer. But for the first time in the three months I spent researching and viewing vehicles, I felt both relieved and satisfied.

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But wait, let’s back up. This is like reading the end of “Flowers for Algernon” before getting to the meat of the story. Starting in September of 2013, I daily-drove a $2600 1994 Mazda Miata for over a year (minus air conditioning for half the time) in the subtropical Houston heat. I loved it, though it was beat to shit and held an electrical grudge from my attempts to use a Yuasa motorcycle battery instead of the proper AGM battery (in my defense, that was during an era of incredible broke-ness).

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No power steering and crank windows led me to the realization that I need something different, something practical , something respectable . After two years working at a startup I cofounded out of college, I was left with a negative net worth. My friends were driving new 335i’s. I was driving a 22 year old roadster with a dearth of interior room that occasionally left me in situations like this:

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So I decided I’d grow up. My goals: under 10k, stickshift, newer than the year 2000, under 100,000 miles, in the Houston-Dallas-Austin triangle. The choices came down to the NC Miata (equal practicality to the NA, more usability), the first-gen Mazda 3 (dynamically excellent, infinitely more respectable), and incredibly dumb shit like 540i 6MT’s and Z3 coupes and C4 Corvettes (which checked none of the boxes, but how bitchin’ would it be to have a C4?!) .

The hunt began. After rooting through the vast majority of Craigslist and Autotrader posts, I quickly realized that I was snipe-hunting a unicorn. The majority of my resistance came from my insistence on a manual transmission. The most common statements paired with a MT-equipped vehicle’s classified ad:

“Car is immaculate. Has salvage title from minor fender bender” Carfax response: “ Severe subframe damage.”

“One-owner car.” Carfax response: “ Car has had six owners in the past year.”

“Body panels straight, new tires.” Real life: Car smells like a D2 sorority bathroom and every panel looks like it was touched by a Captain Hook/Hellen Keller hybrid.

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I spent two months looking for cars. My employer became increasingly dissatisfied by my willingness to take a day off to go up to Dallas or Austin and look at a clapped-out Mazda Protégé. The better parts of several weekends were spent riding Greyhound buses to neighboring municipalities, discovering that the car in question was garbage, getting drunk as hell while browsing Autotrader at the nearest bar to the bus station, and sleeping off the hangover on the Night Dog.

To compound this, the Miata decided it was done living and relinquished its grip of both the clutch and the hydraulics in one fell swoop. My garage situation consists of the warehouse at my workplace and whatever time I can scrounge on my lunch break. Between waiting on parts, realizing more shit was broken and ordering additional parts, and the actual labor, it was down for the better part of a month. On the plus side, I had quit the startup and frighteningly mature things like being gainfully employed and receiving regular paychecks crept into my life. Huzzah!

So I readjusted my aim. The Fit, which was Honda’s last bastion of the once-proud triumvirate of cheap, fun, and practical, would fit (ha) the bill nicely. Excellent dynamics, a manual gearbox, and a spirit-is-willing-but-flesh-is-weak engine would sate my Miata-esque need for a vehicle that would be sporty and fun, while simultaneously not getting me laid. It’s also typically owned by lame-ass people, which I thought I wanted to be.

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I inspected a couple local vehicles. One was teetering slightly past the 100k mark. It had been well-kept, but was on the original clutch, struts, brake pads & rotors(?), and the tire situation was dire. That adds up to a good $2000 in parts alone, so I had to pass. The next one was at the dealership at which my mother bought her ‘01 Prelude new. By the smell, this car had apparently been used as a mobile dog-breeding mill, and possessed NVH problems that led me to ask the salesman if it had a broken motor mount (which after a brief trip to the dealership garage, had him explaining that it had a broken motor mount, which mounts the motor, and for which the part was unavailable until mid-next week).

So like a fool, I asked to drive a new one. It was the ugliest car I had ever laid eyes upon. While previous Fits conveyed a visage of a second-trimester pregnant woman in running apparel, the new one looked like a fat alien breedsac attached to the side of a starship. The thin plastic wheelcovers stood as a rolling testament to the thin veneer of dignity that the purchase of a new car belies upon its owner. A lack of forward, aft, and rear visibility reminded me of the Regular Car Reviews guy explaining the reasons behind thick pillars in modern cars.

And I loved it. And I bargained it down to 16k including tax, title, and license. And I bought it.

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The wheels were swapped for Rota RB’s, which the internet tells me will explode into torso-seeking shrapnel when faced with a large bump. The dealership sticker was removed, as to not convey to the general public what a sucker I am. And the USB port was plugged with a tiny Sandisk drive with the cruelest, most vulgar rap music I could find. For the last two months, I’ve driven to work with the knowledge that if this car was going to be fucked up, it would be me doing the fucking.

So here I am: a desperate hypocrite. I didn’t just throw in the towel - I gingerly folded it into a cushion, placed it at the feet of the American God of Cheap Credit, and committed myself to a kneeling position for the next 48 months at 1.9% interest. I’ll drive the shit out this car for five years and sell it for $10,000. And while it may not get me laid, getting to be inside a virgin (car) is absolutely worth it.


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Kinja'd!!! Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 00:03

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Totally NP

I don't own a new car, but my employer got me a new car for work use only (wink wink), and after 5 minutes of driving it for the first time, I was like, "... So THIS is why people buy new cars!"


Kinja'd!!! DasWauto > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 07:18

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Looks like you put this on Oppo at its original post time, which would have been a few hours behind current and as such would have gone up a couple of pages back. I've rescheduled the post so that more people will get a chance to see it.

Great post by the way, eloquently written and I can sympathize. I'm also a sucker for having bought a new car a couple of months ago (base model Golf, also sporting new wheels) and am very much enjoying it while I set to work on my e30.


Kinja'd!!! Jim Zeigler > DasWauto
04/08/2015 at 07:27

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Thanks a ton! Never published anything on Kinja, so this has been a learning experience.


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04/08/2015 at 08:02

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Zeigler... Why does that name sound familiar?


Kinja'd!!! jkm7680 > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 08:06

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Nice work!


Kinja'd!!! Bozi Tatarevic > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 08:10

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Great post!


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04/08/2015 at 08:14

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practical AND roomy.


Kinja'd!!! Party-vi > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 08:17

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"Captain Hook/Hellen Keller hybrid"

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04/08/2015 at 08:25

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You made a good choice. My fiance bought one new when they first came to the US, and she drove the wheels off of it for work. She had slightly over 190k before she gave it to her parents, and they have only had one round of major repairs (minus tune-ups, brakes, etc.). You will be thoroughly surprised by how much stuff you can fit in there, especially with the back seats down.


Kinja'd!!! Funktheduck > Where have all the lightweights gone?
04/08/2015 at 08:37

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You missed an opportunity. You should've said "especially with the seats down..... ;)"


Kinja'd!!! jjhats > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 08:37

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how did you get authorship priveleges? I kind of hate this website but keep coming back even tho it is infuriating to use.


Kinja'd!!! Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 08:40

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Those wheels are pretty crazy on the Miata lol. You still keep the Miata? Now it can live to its fullest potential as a full time track car!


Kinja'd!!! yamahog > Party-vi
04/08/2015 at 08:54

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I also lol'd at the "D2 sorority bathroom," mine was at a fancy D1 Big Ten school and we had maids and chefs but without them the mansion would've been a wreck.


Kinja'd!!! Makoyouidiot > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 09:20

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1.9%, not bad.


Kinja'd!!! mazda616 > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 09:20

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Awesome read. "Hellen Keller/Captain Hook hybrid" has me laughing out loud.

Sometimes, buying a new car is a good deal. A 1.9% interest rate isn't too bad at all. That's what we got on my wife's 2013 CX-5 when we bought it new in 2012. We have since paid it off early, but even if we hadn't, the payment really wasn't bad. If you keep the car a long time and/or buy one that depreciates well (i.e. a Honda), you will be fine. :-)


Kinja'd!!! KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 09:50

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It's also much easier to get a good rate on a new car than a used one. Most banks won't even finance a car that's more than 5 years old, and the ones that do, charge higher interest rates for the privilege. The thinking is that they can always repossess a new car and auction it before it becomes worthless.

Buying used sounds really good in theory (and practiced properly, IS really good), but you either need excess cash saved up, or a good local credit union/community bank who is willing to help you finance those.

This is why Kia and Daewoo did great business with the subprime auto crowd, because their captive finance group was willing to write those loans, and it was still a step up the credit ladder from the Buy-Here-Pay-Here lots.


Kinja'd!!! E92M3 > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 09:50

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I've had a lot of cars but never a NEW car. I try to justify a new car by telling myself I'll keep it for 10 years , but I know that's not really realistic. It's a sick twisted game I enjoy. Finding the mint unicorn used car, but uncovering it's history and being dissapointed 99.9% of the time. The older I get the less faults I'll accept with each candidate. Finding a car with few blemishes, and no paint work is becoming increasingly harder and harder.


Kinja'd!!! SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 10:21

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well written....

You could have waited a couple of months for the HR-V. It's even gonna have a manual


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04/08/2015 at 10:23

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Infinity headroom


Kinja'd!!! Meatcoma > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 11:09

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Congratulations! You've won a mediocre car at best and a lifetime supply of shop towels! You can even wipe your own ass with them (not advised).

That is a lot of shop towels...


Kinja'd!!! Andrew T. Maness > Jim Zeigler
04/08/2015 at 15:39

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Great first post man.

Hope you'll continue to chronicle your adventures in this thing.


Kinja'd!!! greasemonkey235097 > Jim Zeigler
04/11/2015 at 12:48

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I fear I will be following your steps soon, prices for used just keep climbing, you want something with less than 75k miles the price difference with new just doesn't make sense.

Just bought an 06 mazda3 with 78k, and had to swap the engine a month into it. Yes new now makes sense.


Kinja'd!!! JDMatt > Jim Zeigler
04/19/2015 at 18:56

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Those Wheels really make the fit look really good.

And 1.9% APR for 48 months on a $16,000 new car is not bad at all. You could have Financed something through Carmax! I couldn't see myself financing a used car even if it came with a 6 year warranty.


Kinja'd!!! Katsumoto > Jim Zeigler
04/19/2015 at 20:04

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Ive owned an 08 Fit since new and it’s been a good little car. It does have a minivan esque look to it. I often find myself looking at the Mazda and Honda minivan’s and then looking at my car, like your almost there.

It’s been a good little car to me. 171k later, a new battery, tires and many oil changes. It’s still going. I’ve been plotting trading it in. The CPO Focus’s aren’t looking to bad. Plus it’s a decent car for a DD.


Kinja'd!!! ReforMatt > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 12:48

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Depends on the car. I bought a 2015 WRX for just under 30k. i will drive this car for about 3 years and sell it for around 25k. depreciation can be largely avoided, you just have to know where to look. and before anyone asks, my proof of this is current and historical used prices of wrx and evo models.


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04/20/2015 at 12:56

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Kinja'd!!! Gary Yogurt > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 12:56

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I so badly wanted to buy a new Fit! I loved the interior and its various seat positions. But with the electric steering and complete lack of torque, I wasn’t even sure that I was driving. (And that was with the 6MT.) The shifter felt more like a dainty pre-selector from a Cord and the clutch bite point was higher than my knees.


Kinja'd!!! Gary Yogurt > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 12:56

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I so badly wanted to buy a new Fit! I loved the interior and its various seat positions. But with the electric steering and complete lack of torque, I wasn’t even sure that I was driving. (And that was with the 6MT.) The shifter felt more like a dainty pre-selector from a Cord and the clutch bite point was higher than my knees.


Kinja'd!!! Gary Yogurt > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 12:57

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I so badly wanted to buy a new Fit! I loved the interior and its various seat positions. But with the electric steering and complete lack of torque, I wasn’t even sure that I was driving. (And that was with the 6MT.) The shifter felt more like a dainty pre-selector from a Cord and the clutch bite point was higher than my knees.


Kinja'd!!! Gary Yogurt > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 12:58

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I so badly wanted to buy a new Fit! I loved the interior and its various seat positions. But with the electric steering and complete lack of torque, I wasn’t even sure that I was driving. (And that was with the 6MT.) The shifter felt more like a dainty pre-selector from a Cord and the clutch bite point was higher than my knees. I hope your experience is completely different!


Kinja'd!!! golfball > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:01

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I’ve generally been a “no new cars” advocate as well, but the last few years have been unusual in the used car market. The low post financial crash car sales have meant low supply of quality used cars. This causes people to pay $5k for a clapped out civic with 150k+ miles or $25k for a 3 year old car that only cost $30k new. My next car will probably be purchased new, although things do seem to be improving a bit now. One thing I would say is that Craiglist has become a cesspool for used car buying, so it’s no surprise you found things that weren’t as advertised. There are better alternatives out there.


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04/20/2015 at 13:03

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It will NOT be worth 10k in 5 years...


Kinja'd!!! Future next gen S2000 owner > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:03

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If no one buys new cars there will never be any used cars. New cars aren’t for suckers.


Kinja'd!!! Dream Theater of the Absurd > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:04

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I loved it, though it was beat to shit and held an electrical grudge from my attempts to use a Yuasa motorcycle battery instead of the proper AGM battery (in my defense, that was during an era of incredible broke-ness).

My ‘91 Miata currently has a garden tractor battery in it. And here’s, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story:

The Westco battery I’d had in the car previously (which, to my knowledge, was only the second battery ever put in the car) was getting pretty weak after around ten years of service. It was to a point where I left it connected to a trickle charger any time it was parked at home. Come this past February, it gave up entirely while I was at Thunderhill working SCCA-SFR’s annual driver licensing school. At the end of the weekend, I caught a ride into town and bought a new battery.

It turned out I had the wrong one; it was too big to fit in the designated corner of the trunk where an NA-platform Miata’s battery resides. There was a fellow at the track from whom I’d borrowed a couple hand tools, who happens to be in the business of renting Spec Miatas (he has eleven of them available for arrive-and-drives). He saw right away I had the wrong battery, but he happened to have a spare in his trailer. He got it hooked up and buttoned down for me and I was on my way home owing him a replacement battery the next time we were at the track.

I went back to Walmart where I’d purchased my first battery, returned it, and decided I would see if I could find a battery of the type now pumping life into my Miata’s electrical system since I was there anyway. And I did find one. They had exactly ONE example on the shelf, which I bought for the princely sum of about $35.

It was while I was at the checkout counter paying for it that I found out it was actually intended for a garden tractor! But it’s been in the car for about two months now and it cranks the car over quite strongly when I turn the key. And at $35 a pop, I don’t even care if it doesn’t last as long as the “correct” replacement (which is about $150 if you go for a Westco).


Kinja'd!!! Christopheroni > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:06

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Only five years? Then what, another payment for a $32,000 car?

Keep it as long as possible!


Kinja'd!!! TheBobmanNH > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:09

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I’ve long contended that the “new cars are for suckers” mantra is only relevant for cars that cost more than, say, 25k new. Cheap cars... it’s really hard to beat new. I’m going through this with my wife right now. She drives a lot for work — often long distances to out-of-the-way places where it would be REALLY inconvenient to break down, and her 2006 Civic is inching up on 200k miles.

So we’re looking at used Hondas for her. There is NO sharp dropoff in price for used vs new, especially when you factor in financing differences. It seems like a perfectly linear dropoff from a new Civic / Fit at 19000/16000 dollars to one that is 3 years old and has 40k miles on it for 16000/13000 dollars. Is that 3 grand worth having an older car with worse gas mileage? I’m not sure that anyone can convince me it is.


Kinja'd!!! User1312 > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:11

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Buying new cars isn’t necessarily for suckers. Used cars can just be had at a better deal. And that’s true about most things in life, though many of us will pick up a new pair of jeans over hitting the resale clothing shop without thinking. If it’s within your budget, and the used car you could buy at that price doesn’t fit your criteria as well, have at it. I’ve largely resigned from preaching the used car superiority, for fear that there will be fewer used options when I’m next shopping..


Kinja'd!!! jimz > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:13

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I have spent the better part of my adult life proselytizing that only suckers buy new cars, to the point where my friends would avoid mentioning a new car purchase.

that should tell you something.


Kinja'd!!! VoltRon > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:17

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What you’ve done here has me seriously reconsidering my disdain for the new Fit....


Kinja'd!!! TheWeasel > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:17

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Great article. After making a horrible used car purchase I will likely be following your lead for my next DD.


Kinja'd!!! Upshift > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:17

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It’s fine. I’m on my 3rd new car. Tried used stuff but just wasn’t for me. Fun fact, I had a 2013 Honda Fit that just wasn’t the right fit(ha!) for me so I got a 2014 Mazda3, which after more than a year, I still heart every day <3. New cars are awesome.


Kinja'd!!! VoltRon > greasemonkey235097
04/20/2015 at 13:20

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Wow. That’s awful. Personally, my only issue on my P5 was rust. Engine was a cherry.


Kinja'd!!! Brother Seamus A. Dickman > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:28

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Good read. I love my 2009 Fit. I don’t really care for the look of the redesign.


Kinja'd!!! icelandr > DasWauto
04/20/2015 at 13:29

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Happened here too, but my last vehicle was stolen from me right as I started to look. Buying a used wrx didn’t seem smart as I know how I would drive it, others would have too.


Kinja'd!!! GirchyGirchy > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:31

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$2000 for the parts listed? All OEM maybe...aftermarket should be half that I would hope.

Good choice though, hope you enjoy! New cars are nice.


Kinja'd!!! Paullubbock > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:33

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Kinja'd!!! PumpkinRider > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:44

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I thought the same with my mustang, but then I remembered it had 23 miles on the clock when I first test drove her. I can’t look at her the same way.


Kinja'd!!! Paullubbock > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:46

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I used to drive lovely 5sp Porsche 928S for years but it started giving me problems and on a 928S problems are never cheap and they rarely get better. The last straw was a summer where temps rolled in day after day for weeks at a time over 103. The car is black, the air conditioner never worked and the heater got stuck on the dash vents.

I loved my car but was so miserable and almost went into heat stroke once that I finally said enough. I walked into a Ford dealership and bought a then stupid truck lease. It was nothing fancy and back then you could get a full size truck for under 20K, mine was 17K. The truck was white and the air conditioner huge and super cold. I loved that truck. I even tried to keep it after 3yr lease but it was going to cost me more to refi than to just buy a new one. Stupid leases. Anyway, I was job established and credit was decent by then so I bought the exact same model type but brand new.

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That was 11 years ago, the truck I paid off in 3.5yrs and still have. I also still have the 928S and it’s still broken. I know someone send me some 928 parts if you have them. I think it needs everything.


Kinja'd!!! ninjagin > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:47

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Nice! My mom got a fit a couple years after they came out, and I drive it when I visit her. It’s zippy and very practical. She hauls dogs and pet stuff around in hers and there’s much more room inside than a casual observer might assume. It’s a nice little car. Good pick! Of my three cars, only one was bought new (my ‘99 Jeep XJ, now with 165K on it and still going), so I know the feels of drivin’ them until they drop. My GF was surprised when I told her that if I had to get down to one car, it’d be the Jeep, but it’s because I know every stupid thing the original owner has done to it, which is something I can’t say about the other 2.


Kinja'd!!! Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:49

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I wouldn’t say you’re a hypocrite. Sometimes the used car market becomes overpriced for certain types of cars. So sometimes it does make more sense to buy new.


Kinja'd!!! PygmySurfer > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 13:58

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Kinja'd!!! dogisbadob > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:06

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great writeup. Hondas hold their value very well. You made the right decision.

Too bad you didn’t get the EX with the sunroof, now that you can finally get a sunroof on the Fit!


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Kinja'd!!! marcinmk > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:24

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I generally go by the rule of a brand new car isn’t worth it as you can get a 1-2 yr old used car that still falls under warranty and has low miles. Once I start creeping over 30k for miles, I generally don’t bother with the car. Though budget plays a large role into it.

For example, bought a brand new Altima 3.5SE in 06 for 26k after everything. Following year I test drove an M45 and promised myself it would be my next car. in early 09, I found a almost loaded 06 with 9k miles, one owner for 33k. Decided to check it out and drove it off the lot for only 27.5k. sure it was three years later but a similar equipped 09 SE altima was going for about the same price as I what paid in 06.

Sure it’s more money and took some time to hunt and find but just goes to show you what’s sitting out there when you’re looking for a mid-size sedan that’s reasonably priced. Maintenance wise, more expensive if taken to an Infiniti dealership but it could be serviced at home or at a Nissan dealer too.


Kinja'd!!! Machingadera > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:25

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I’ve only purchased 1 new car - a Honda. While not as exciting as the lifted hi mileage Aston Martin Lagonda I was looking at, I am satisfied that none of my money was wasted, there have been no surprises, and I never missed work because of car trouble. That is worth something.

Also, “the new one looked like a fat alien breedsac attached to the side of a starship “ : poetry


Kinja'd!!! sschwing > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:27

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Yeah, probably not. You’ll drive it for 5 years and sell it for $7,500.


Kinja'd!!! tapzz > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:35

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But, but, if you’re going down that route, why not Ford Fiesta or Mazda 2?


Kinja'd!!! Tapas > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:41

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Good God, Jim! You not only let your moment of weakness exploit you into purchasing a practical and dependable car, but then you went on to advertize said mistake eloquently and emerge with pride?!?!

Good move! Congratulations on your new fat alien breed-sac (much better than driving a 2003 breed-sac) and a well written post :)

Sometimes, its not always practical to pursue your interests every single time. Just like its foolish to drink tequila every time you’re thirsty, even if it is your favorite drink. But that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy it at the right time.


Kinja'd!!! albo > KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
04/20/2015 at 14:41

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I've always bought new then drive it until it grenades. It's even easier on my mind now since low-mileage used cars seem to be so close in price to new.

This year my ambulance company needed an SUV for a QRS vehicle. The chief looked everywhere, but he couldn't find a quality used one that wasn't just a few thousand dollars less than new. So we bought new.

As for me, it's a new Sonata for $18,000 (my wife's a great negotiatrix). The $700 we got for the 2001 Caravan with 206K we split and I spent some of mine on a case of 90 minute IPA.


Kinja'd!!! sanjuro62 > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 14:56

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Looks like your house is in Bellaire or Timbergrove Manor, where they're tearing everything down to build stucco homes.


Kinja'd!!! Xkjacob > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:06

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Eh, I mean we get raw deals sometimes.

I have a degree in business administration and couldn’t find a job after college, so Mother dearest trained me to be a software developer. Oh the embarrassment and awkward discussions during the job interviews. “My mom thinks I am a great developer..”, but it was what I needed. Now I’m a professional developer. It might not be what you want, but I’ll be damnded if it didn’t work out well.

I bought an rx8 and the 100 mile daily commute and 17mpg was bankrupting me. I bought 300$ worth of tools and googled my way through auto maintenance. I also bought a motorcycle for the LOLmpgs. Then when a job 20 minutes from me was hiring I jumped on that and got it. Now I have tools, maintenance skills, a motorcycle and a short commute. I dont think it could have worked any better. Daily drive the 8. Have a blast on the bike and I feel confident wrenching these two machines.


Kinja'd!!! Stiiles > tapzz
04/20/2015 at 15:08

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Because both of those cars have far less room inside and the 2 is grossly underpowered, giving up 30 hp to the Fit.


Kinja'd!!! IRS4 > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:18

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I think “It Does Baby”, but not entirely sure.


Kinja'd!!! Arrivederci > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:19

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Read article, thought, “no way he can sell that Fit for $10k in five years.” Searched 2010 Fit prices. Smacks self in head, contemplates getting Fit.


Kinja'd!!! MetaKnight2k > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:21

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I’ve made this point to Tavarish before, too: If people don’t buy new cars, Tavarish cannot buy used cars. Without new cars being sold to populate the used car market, used cars go up in price.

TL;DR: Buy new if you can afford it, buy used if you cannot. You get better support, peace of mind, and technology in buying new. It really is a question of how much your time is worth.


Kinja'd!!! curbwatching > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:23

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You definitely won’t be getting $10,000 for a five-year-old base level Fit with a stick shift.


Kinja'd!!! TequilaSqueela > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 15:24

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I just did the exact same thing. I purchased a 97 Miata last year and have been driving it as a DD. It started having a lot of maintenance at once (clutch, tires, brakes, cylinder misfires) and I have too much at stake with graduation to get stranded and screwed. I sat down and made the decision to find three cars on paper that ticked every box I could think of.

Utility
Small
Efficient
Reliable
Preferably a hatch

I was left with the Mazda 3 hatch and the Fit. I test drove both and now have a new Fit and my Miata is in the garage with a new future of 15” wheels, new suspension, and balls to the wall tire shredding ahead of it.

People ask me why I got a “gay” Honda Fit instead of a manly truck. I tell them the Fit is a step sideways there and I still get laid so who gives a shit. I now have two awesome cars and they can blow me.


Kinja'd!!! DasWauto > Arrivederci
04/20/2015 at 16:12

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Thank you for doing that bit of research. Many wouldn’t do so and would just blurt out their first thought, as proven to the commenter who appeared right below this one, haha.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/you-definitely…


Kinja'd!!! MarcusBrody > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 16:21

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Is the visibility poor now in the Fit? I have a 2008 that has served me well and the great visibility is one of my favorite parts about the car.


Kinja'd!!! SpecedOut > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
04/20/2015 at 17:00

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If you’re from the Chicago area, there’s a chain of dealerships bearing the same name.


Kinja'd!!! DarrenMR > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 17:57

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Congrats on the interest rate. My wife had a low mile 07 Fit sport, anything newer is hideous. Still have the Miata? We should start a beat up Miata club.


Kinja'd!!! tapzz > Stiiles
04/20/2015 at 17:59

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Fair enough on room and flexibility- nowt better than a Fit/Jazz for that in the supermini class.


Kinja'd!!! AthomSfere > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 18:04

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There are cars where buying new makes perfect sense. Namely cars that hold their value (See Honda, almost anything but the Odyssey).

I bought a brand new ‘08 fit, drove it for a year and traded it in for something like $400 what I paid. 1 year of worry free, warranty covered utility for $400? You can’t ride the bus for that.

I came to a similar decision with my current car (since the Fit I have owned 2 other new cars and 3 used). Looking at FR-s and BRZs I noticed you could get them with 20-30k miles on them, questionable histories and save ~$2k. Not worth it to me, Scion was selling the base coupe at with the no-haggle policy for $2k off. So it was a brand new car at 23.5 or a one with 2 years on it and 20k miles for $21. I’d rather spend the $2k and get the 7 year 96,000 mile warranty, know only I abused it (and made on time fluid changes) and take a slightly better finance rate.


Kinja'd!!! Edz > Jim Zeigler
04/20/2015 at 18:54

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If there’s one thing I learned about buying new, it’s probably minivans (previous DD was a relatively clean ‘99 Grand Caravan ES Sport that my brother found - a true “unicorn” for what it is). So I’m quite a sucker for cleaner interiors, and while shopping around for Honda Odysseys it is rare you will find one with a “reasonably clean” interior, or if you do, it often has some dent/scratch/rust in the exterior, usually at the corners/rear quarter panels. So the wife and I tallied our finances and decided to drive from OH to WV to get a deal on a brand new 2011 Ody Touring, with all the fixin’s. It seats 8 comfortably! It has built-in navigation, Bluetooth streaming, HDD+USB audio, DVD player etc etc! And the biggest dealmaker: Little princess gets a center-eye view of the road coz I can put the car seat smack center in the middle row and still seat my in-laws comfortably beside her! I’m not gonna care what people say about minivan owners, if it gets my family around comfortably and safely then it’s all good (I’ve already had two accidents, one from the red-light runner during an icy winter night that smashed my front end, and another from a run-away parked car that smashed my parked rear end - while BOTH cars were unoccupied... long story ;) .


Kinja'd!!! Kevin Rhodes > Jim Zeigler
04/21/2015 at 00:24

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I drove used cars for 20 years. It was great, I had a lot of cool cars, from Saabs to Peugeots to a couple BMW 318is and 535i, to Volvos to Mercedes to three generations of VW Jetta GLIs. Even an Alfa GTV-6 and a Spider. But now I can very comfortably afford new cars, most recently a BMW M235i on order for Euro Delivery. They are pretty great too. The trick is simply not buying more than you can afford, with "afford" being either money, time, or both. When I was younger, I had more time than money, now I have more money than time. It's all good, great cars are great new or used. There is no one right answer (even Miata).

Though the one thing I will say is - buy new or buy REALLY used. Barely used cars are not cheap enough to bother with. New or pocket money, nothing in-between.

Love those Rota wheels, BTW, I really wanted a set of them for my Abarth. Anything that looks even vaguely like a Minilite is OK in my book!


Kinja'd!!! Zeek Is A Geek > Jim Zeigler
04/21/2015 at 01:34

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Minilites. Fwiw (nothing. absolutely nothing.) I approve.


Kinja'd!!! Zeek Is A Geek > Party-vi
04/21/2015 at 01:36

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What does that even mean?


Kinja'd!!! Party-vi > Zeek Is A Geek
04/21/2015 at 07:31

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Followed? That you like someone’s wit so much you decide to hover over their name and click the “follow” link, basically confirming you’re a fan. In reality it means nothing.


Kinja'd!!! Eric @ opposite-lock.com > TheBobmanNH
04/21/2015 at 12:49

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It’s the very reason I’m buying new. The value proposition is so broken at this point with such high used prices and low-interest financing everywhere that only people with bad credit and no savings buy used cars for DD duty. Even then, they’re paying more in the long run since the first purchaser will get more of their money back in absolute dollars when they sell the car than the used buyer could. Unless you’re buying low-mileage $3-5k cars (super rare and hard to find) from the late 90s to early 00s, you’re not beating the new buyer by buying used. With fun cars it is a different equation (and those depreciate a lot faster or slower, depending on what they are), but with something that gets you to/from work reliably it’s a totally different story.

The used car drumbeat is based on advice that hasn’t been true for at least 10 years and has grown even worse since the start of the last recession.


Kinja'd!!! Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Arrivederci
04/21/2015 at 13:39

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This is true with essentially every prolemobile that isn’t made by GM or FCA. My personal method for a residual estimate on cars beyond 1 year (the initial drop is bigger) through base transportation value (~$2-3k) is this formula (does not account for the non-linear value of mileage, which is much lower when a car is newer and higher as a car gets older):

residual = original * (1 - depreciation) ^ years

The Fit sees about 7-8% in depreciation. Depreciation goes up as the price goes up, varies by brand, and varies by type of vehicle.


Kinja'd!!! BMWJLRTECH > Jim Zeigler
04/21/2015 at 18:19

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The Fit is by far the best hatch under 20k right now. I regularly hit closet to 50mpg on the freeway.


Kinja'd!!! General Purpose > Jim Zeigler
04/22/2015 at 20:57

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Great post- I feel you are a kindred spirit. I drove a 1995 Civic EX coupe for years and always felt smug about not having payments. I felt this way until splurging on a new Focus ST, got them to put some cash on the hood and also took the 0% finance offer from Ford, pretty much the whole shebang. It’s a very different perspective I have now.

Question- How would you rate your experience at Honda of Clear Lake?

I’m a Houston native and my nearest dealer is John Eagle Honda. I gave them a few chances when looking to drive a Civic Si, even made an appointment once, and they inevitably claimed that they had just sold the last one, even after promising me a test drive. I was once a Honda loyalist and would have bought the Si if it drove great, but I never found out. No other dealer except the Honda dealer was this tight-fisted with their semi-performance models.


Kinja'd!!! Jim Zeigler > General Purpose
04/22/2015 at 21:35

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Eh, they didn’t blow me away. The salesman I had was a nice guy, and the pain in his eyes was quite evident when I got the car for the price I did. They do the typical car dealership runaround, but from what I’ve heard it was no worse than some of the other local ones (Ford, Chrysler).


Kinja'd!!! Jim Zeigler > sschwing
04/22/2015 at 21:42

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Nope! After a thoroughly exhaustive look at the used Fit market, I’m not too far off the mark - if I put as little mileage as I expect on it. I recommend browsing Autotrader. The manny tranny may limit my market, though.


Kinja'd!!! sschwing > Jim Zeigler
04/23/2015 at 12:06

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I expect a full hindsight report on my desk by 2020.


Kinja'd!!! Boris > TheBobmanNH
04/27/2015 at 22:11

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You're absolutely right. New is the Right Thing To Do if the car is cheap. I bought a 1988 Fiesta new off the lot for $5,700 and my brother got 200k out of it. Those were the days! But the Fit is the thing to buy today. $16k and it is the Best Thing On The Market in that range. Better by far than the Versa, the Mirage or even the Yaris, just as good as the Corolla for $3k LESS.


Kinja'd!!! Memento Mori > Jim Zeigler
05/09/2015 at 11:28

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Similar situation recently; the girlfriend’s CR-V was shedding parts quicker than a husky (apparently longer haired dogs shed a lot, says the internet) and the prices for repairs rising too quickly for comfort too. I’ve been financially stable enough for a while now, but just didn’t want a car payment. We looked at a new Fit as well, liked it quite a bit, but drove a Mazda 3 and decided it was the one for us. It’s been great so far: mileage, handling, not having to worry about anything going wrong with it and shelling out $$$ for the next few years.

All in all, if it seems like the right decision for you, glad you were able to do it!


Kinja'd!!! StuntmanDan > Jim Zeigler
05/12/2015 at 18:22

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While I’m totally on board with the buying used idea, I decided a few years ago to have a new and under warranty vehicle, as well as an older, might-not-run-every-day vehicle. I’m getting to the point now where both of my vehicles are getting into that territory, though only one has let me down so far. I think I might be picking up a new vehicle sometime in the not-so-distant future.


Kinja'd!!! Malforus > Arrivederci
05/12/2015 at 18:47

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Yeah my girlfriend picked up a 2007 for 6000 after all fees and it included new tires. They hold their value like champs and I still feel accomplished for helping her get it.

By helping I mean she was negotiating the shit out of the sales manager and he turned to me and asked if “I could talk some sense into her...”

Before he finished that sentence: “That was a bad decision and you are about to find out why, she’s bar’ed in this state and I am just here to look under it for defects.